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the economy and put people back to work. if we do that, we'll be bringing in more revenue and if we control spending, potentially what you have balance. >> a quick response to that. >> that's exactly the point. balancing the budget will in fact help our economy. it will help create jobs in our country. get our economy going again. and put more people back to work. the fact that the government continues to spend more than a trillion dollars every year that it doesn't have, scares investors, scares business people, makes them less willing to hire people. >> is the grand bargain dead? >> i don't know whether we can come to be a big agreement if we do. it will be between the two parties on capitol hill. hopefully, we can go to conference on these budgets. hope springs eternal in my mind. >> senators graham and ayotte and other republicans have said they're open to new revenue if the president is willing to do significant entitlement reform. is that something you could consider? would you say no to that? >> the president got his tax hikes on january 1st. the talk about raising revenue is over, i
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